Influenced by tradition grew up in. Ratify some of it, reject other parts.

Am in one of the Jesus traditions.

Don’t know which of the reports of Jesus’ teaching are historical. I select my own selection, and honor him as possible source:

speak truth to power, secular and religious

help the poor

love your enemies

welcome the stranger

I choose to give credence to Ehrman’s view that a Jesus existed & was crucified under Pontius Pilate.

I choose to prefer Crossan’s construction of events about Jesus’ death.

I assume the historical Jesus believed in a personal God who intervenes in the universe. [Dawkins says given Jesus’ independent approach, today he would likely be an atheist.] I am agnostic but lean heavily toward No because of all the evil in the world and all the people that god has evidently not spoken to. At most I think there may be something unimaginable, like another dimension, that we somehow connect with mentally and are comforted by. But because of all the evil, I lean toward either no god or that that “dimension” has limited power to counteract evil [Oord’s God Can’t]. Since I am in a Jesus tradition and do not know about a god for a fact, then if leading worship probably can justify praying as Jesus did.

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  1. Hello, again Elizabeth,
    Thanks for sending me these reflections. I, too, have been much impressed with the hope and moral realism of UU’s 7 Principles.

    I see that in another one of your articles, you state that you have been ordained. Intriguing. So you were a minister in that denomination? If I may ask, how many years did you minister to congregations?

    If you remember, I was a Baptist youth minister for a year, but I didn’t become ordained. Instead dropped out of seminary and quit because I had a severe crisis of faith.

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    1. Thanks so much for the feedback!!

      I essentially “dropped out” too as a young person when my childhood worldview disintegrated. Lots of turmoil, then decades of pondering.

      I was ordained at age 60, as chaplain in long-term care and hospice…. never a parish pastor. Chaplaincy was a good place for me since you try to support the good parts of people’s worldviews. [Presumptuous to judge which are the good & which are the bad, but…. : ) ]

      I was interested in ordination because I was involved in nursing homes and thought that as a woman, ordination would lend more credibility when I said “God loves you; God forgives you.” At seminary, coming from decades of agnosticism, my questions were whether my ultra-liberal views would fit anywhere along the spectrum. ….At the first denominational area meeting I attended as an “inquirer,”, the congregation I had joined was officially rebuked for the stance of welcoming into leadership any member regardless of sexual orientation. That was one of the reasons I had joined that congregation — so watching the heated debate — people lined up at the mics on each side of the sanctuary — bespoke not such a peaceful path ahead to ordination. Some of the family strongly objected to my views too. “Nevertheless she persisted” : ) …. now the denomination affirms marriage for beloveds of the same gender. Zinn is right! Good things happen!

      But I still debate whether I’ve changed even more and should demit, as Chris Highland did…. The beat goes on : ) Happy to have people to talk with!!!


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